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Post by gurce on Oct 8, 2018 23:04:51 GMT
Agreed :-)
I know there are still limitations, I'm still very happy that the system has more capabilities than it did before. Here's hoping even extra functionality will creep in with future updates.
Also, from my experiences with software development, these things always evolve a step at a time. Sometimes it is a few steps forward, a few steps back.
Sometimes each step forward reminds you of all the steps ahead too. But a step is a step, and in my measure, this was a meaty and welcome step :-)
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Post by tyltyl on Oct 8, 2018 23:46:49 GMT
I don't get it why are you guys so frustrated. There was not " subfolders" or " magic disk-load button" on a real C64. You needed old good BASIC screen and typing load... etc. No game save state slots. Now you have it. Very simple: load NAV once, save it to the game slot ( once), load all disks from there, with joystick, one click on disk icon.
 is.gd/nav96 Btw: how many thousands of games you really need to play right here, right now? How hard is to prepare those 50 extra you actually really want to play? But those are already prepared for you! Hundreds of them! gurce.net/c64mini/existing_multi-game_disksAND: This is not the very last firmware, it will be adjusted. Patience, please. The C64 didn't have subfolders, nor a USB or an HDMI, so what? We are in 2018, this is not a real C64 and we are not supposed to get something more complicated than it actually was. Smoothing the edges of an old system is a must if you are trying to re-release it in modern times. Trying to find excuses for a badly developed software I actually paid for, and accept it as it is only gives them more reasons to not do any better. It crashes, it doesn't handle the file system in a usable way (18 pages?), still no multi disk handling, ridiculous way to configure programs, the controller remapping feature is simply horrendous, impractical and frustrating. How much of my old software I want to put on a USB has nothing to do with this, every other emulator or piece of software can handle a file loader/explorer better than this unless you want to lie to yourself. I could load a game on real C64 by just typing a line, I could change to a second disk in 2 seconds, I could just swap the joystick port in 2 seconds and these cannot be handled better 30 years after? Should I apologize if I'm hugely disappointed? The firmware can get better? Yeah, maybe, sure, but how much we waited just to get to this point? Should I have any faith at this point? |
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Post by crispin on Oct 9, 2018 0:48:45 GMT
I don't get it why are you guys so frustrated. There was not " subfolders" or " magic disk-load button" on a real C64. You needed old good BASIC screen and typing load... etc. No game save state slots. Now you have it. Very simple: load NAV once, save it to the game slot ( once), load all disks from there, with joystick, one click on disk icon.
is.gd/nav96 Btw: how many thousands of games you really need to play right here, right now? How hard is to prepare those 50 extra you actually really want to play? But those are already prepared for you! Hundreds of them! gurce.net/c64mini/existing_multi-game_disksAND: This is not the very last firmware, it will be adjusted. Patience, please. The C64 didn't have subfolders, nor a USB or an HDMI, so what? We are in 2018, this is not a real C64 and we are not supposed to get something more complicated than it actually was. Smoothing the edges of an old system is a must if you are trying to re-release it in modern times. Trying to find excuses for a badly developed software I actually paid for, and accept it as it is only gives them more reasons to not do any better. It crashes, it doesn't handle the file system in a usable way (18 pages?), still no multi disk handling, ridiculous way to configure programs, the controller remapping feature is simply horrendous, impractical and frustrating. How much of my old software I want to put on a USB has nothing to do with this, every other emulator or piece of software can handle a file loader/explorer better than this unless you want to lie to yourself. I could load a game on real C64 by just typing a line, I could change to a second disk in 2 seconds, I could just swap the joystick port in 2 seconds and these cannot be handled better 30 years after? Should I apologize if I'm hugely disappointed? The firmware can get better? Yeah, maybe, sure, but how much we waited just to get to this point? Should I have any faith at this point? I think it is not that "18 pages" that is hurting you. Just explain to me: why do you need more then 50 extra games at once? Why your old software needs to have exactly that name which triggers some specific flag of filename? Is it really that hard to rename folder? But of course, it is soo easier to rename disk files at old 1541 as "you used to": Piece of cake!  But beware: the command string is limited to 40 chars in length!  Obviously, this cute little Mini is not for you. Just sell it, don't think about it anymore and connect yourself to old breadbox. Or stick urself to Raspberry Pi, your mobile phone, PC... whatever you want. As you said:  I really don't know why are you even bothering with Mini when this old breadbox is so perfect! |
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Post by howei on Oct 9, 2018 4:42:03 GMT
crispinYou spoke of "Multi game disks". Top But what about Multi Disk Games like Ultima IV? How can I load these games? Need instruction
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Post by bobele on Oct 9, 2018 6:24:25 GMT
crispinYou spoke of "Multi game disks". Top But what about Multi Disk Games like Ultima IV? How can I load these games? Need instruction And he just is a troll and does in no way even TRY to understand the problems. It‘s exactly these disks you cannot use in this mess of a file browser. It will load only the first game, if any. To use these Multigamedisks you still have to rename them the old way and have them in the root to open their directory from basic. NOBODY wants this AutoloadS**t. Using Basic is perfectly fine. Just let us open a F**king Filebrowser from there and inserting a new diskfile to the emulated drive. It‘s so easy. Multidisk-Games working also this way. He says we should sell our Minis as they are not for us. He says there will be Updates. I say: There will be no updates. They do only what they absolutely have to. They waited for the American Release as the Web is full of negative reactions to the old firmware. They had to release a filebrowser to bevable to say „This product is still supported“. They only want to sell their stock. Flood every forum with the word that this thing is S**t! Make people NOT BUY IT as long as it is as it is now. Let them know that they promised a new Firmware „soon“ and came back to us with this buggy mess AFTER MONTH!!! Absolutely no reason to be patient with these people. This is completely unprofessional in any way. Just to remember you: Still remember them deleting negative Posts in their official forum and then closing it down?! |
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Post by kugelblitz on Oct 9, 2018 7:55:44 GMT
Please, can we get back to some civilized behaviour here? Thank you.
While the product is not perfect, I think that the new update strikes a Good balance between being a games console and allowing power users to add games and even configure stuff.
Feel free to try to configure libretrovice or Combian to your liking. These two are "death by Options" that are not documented in a readable way. Try to create Keyboard mappings for single games there. Try to use the virtual Keyboard or a file browser (inside the Emulator, EmulationStation frontends do not Count).
For a "plug and play" product C64Mini gets a lot of stuff Right. I do have issues with the very bad Joystick and the missing Sound samples (see earlier post) but they found a reasonable way to add games (not multi-game-pirate-disks) to the System and have configuration Options that do NOT confuse simple Players. You can easily set up games that require JP1 or hate fast loaders, which covers 95% of the Problems you might have with a specific disc. Simply by renaming the file. That is actually CLEVER.
Please, if you would turn down your cursing and instead post reasonable suggestions on product improvement, I will happily continue reading your Posts.
Grüße aus Deutschland, Boris
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Post by bobele on Oct 9, 2018 8:39:27 GMT
I did already sum up what we wanted, maybe you did not see it?
1. Have a working File Browser accessible from Basic at any time to swap Diskfiles in the virtual Drive.
2. Have the most necessary Options like „Swap Joystick“ in the very sane GUI for anyone to change on the fly.
This would allow to use Multidiskgames and get anything set up as needed without this overly complex Configfiles. And using Two Letter Combinations in a filename to configure an emulator is anything but clever, as by nature letters are already part of a filename. Is it clever to have people having to change filenames or looking shaply at their filenames not coincidentally ending on or containing some of the Letterpairs to be sure not to end up with unwanted behaviour of the emulator?
People did exactly tell what they expected (Multidisk-Games, Support for other Manufacturers USB Joysticks and Pads etc.) and did get this „Thing“.
And regarding the tone of the discussion: Some of us (me included) have some sort of history with the developers. It started VERY friendly and quickly ended in critical posts being deleted and the official forum being closed. In every aspect it showed signs of them not giving a dime on customers as long as they didn’t have to to sell their product. So well, it’s up to you to decide wether you read my posts or not.
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Post by ch1ller on Oct 9, 2018 10:22:41 GMT
Ahahaha.... Looks like modding the 64mini and just putting those Games which you really want to play is still the best thing... |
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Post by synchromesh on Oct 9, 2018 10:56:41 GMT
Im over the moon with the update …
So far its loading everything im throwing at it..
D81 files are amazing !!
Last Ninja ( D81 so no multiload ) usually takes about 8 minutes on my PC to load but on the mini … 20 to 30 seconds tops
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Post by crispin on Oct 9, 2018 11:45:21 GMT
So well, it’s up to you to decide wether you read my posts or not.  Savage, vulgar and primitive behavior like examples above are the reasons for warning you, deleting your posts, and ban. You are just a troll or behave like one (make no difference to me). And why all of that threats and trash from you? "Let them know" REALLY??? A MONTH? You have a long history of trolling (as you admitted below), but now - you can't wait for a month for update, so - this is your excuse for behaving like that??? And here are you admitting that it is not your first time to have trolling campaign like this: NO, it won't work here. Not anymore. You will NOT flood this forum with threats, cursing and trolling. I just saw your posts. You even didn't have Mini 3 months ago (I doubt you have it at all), but you are spreading your bulls for 5 months just here!
Well: NO, things does not work like that. It is up to us do we allow your wild behavior. Now, go chill out. I have to agree with only one thing with you: There is no reason to be patient with people that behave like you. Make another vulgar and primitive post full of insults like recent ones and you will be banned from here as you were before. |
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Post by synchromesh on Oct 9, 2018 12:03:55 GMT
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Post by crispin on Oct 9, 2018 12:21:26 GMT
crispin You spoke of "Multi game disks". Top But what about Multi Disk Games like Ultima IV? How can I load these games? Need instruction You have 4 game save slots. Instructions are here: thec64.com/troubleshooting/ |
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Post by synchromesh on Oct 9, 2018 13:17:43 GMT
I just tried the Ultima IV d81 version which would have meant no disk swapping ,, Typical... the only one I cant seems to get working  Sorry |
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Post by groepaz on Oct 9, 2018 14:10:36 GMT
i find it kinda funny that they invented this cryptic config S**t instead of just exposing the VICE config file - which is still a textfile you need to edit, but at least its somewhat readable, a lot more flexible, and even documented. they could even easily exploit the fliplists and have multi-disk things work. but of course they dont want to show anyone its just VICE they are using  crispin: now what are examples of multiload games that work with fastloader from d82? it should be easy for you to name some, apparently everyone is using them! |
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Post by predseda on Oct 9, 2018 19:12:56 GMT
Disgusting flamewar here.
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Post by bobele on Oct 9, 2018 20:08:45 GMT
Disgusting flamewar here. I‘m sorry. Shouldn‘t have taken my personal frustration about my experiences with the developers here... |
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Post by spannernick on Oct 9, 2018 20:20:30 GMT
I have added some rules now cos all the bad posts remember no swearing please,kids can see this forum,think before posting go and have a break have a KitKat.. ,so please read them they are at the top of the threads or here I like TheC64 Mini and remember there is only one guy in the RGL team thats programing the firmware so that why its slow going,as they say best things come to those who wait.. I do have a real C64 but like this cos its different and small and easy to setup,if you see how much stuff I have for the C64 you go wow.. I got this cos I can't move my C64 its just to big with it the C64,1541 disk drive Datassette 200 games and that.its im my bedroom displayed so you can just go up to and play it.so I got TheC64 Mini to play in the front room. I am a commodore collector,I even have 3 Amigas.I was against The C64 Mini at the beginning and didn't believe them but what changed my mind was Darren Melbourne been onboard.He was part of the C64DTV,I have 2 for then too.. Why did you buy the C64 Mini...? Anyway have a nice day and be nice to everyone,we have no control what RGL does with THEC64 Mini.We are all here for the same thing..THEC64 Mini.. |
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Post by crispin on Oct 9, 2018 21:30:37 GMT
I just tried the Ultima IV d81 version which would have meant no disk swapping ,, Typical... the only one I cant seems to get working Sorry Here is Ultima IV remastered to EasyFlash cartridge, in 4 flavours: "gold edition" & "Quest of the Avatar_GP remastered" x3. I just flashed new firmware (v1.1.2), tried all versions, all versions works.7-zipped, unpack before drive.google.com/open?id=1BbudYXyQea-yjTQiOyVFSLOQa0C4FmOV |
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Post by spannernick on Oct 9, 2018 21:33:55 GMT
I don't get it why are you guys so frustrated. There was not " subfolders" or " magic disk-load button" on a real C64. You needed old good BASIC screen and typing load... etc. No game save state slots. Now you have it. Very simple: load NAV once, save it to the game slot ( once), load all disks from there, with joystick, one click on disk icon.
is.gd/nav96 Btw: how many thousands of games you really need to play right here, right now? How hard is to prepare those 50 extra you actually really want to play? But those are already prepared for you! Hundreds of them! gurce.net/c64mini/existing_multi-game_disksAND: This is not the very last firmware, it will be adjusted. Patience, please. Yeah I did this with Fibr straight away after I upgraded it and noticed you could see all the files and folders from root,I might be able to get my C64 Menu to work,you can press a key and it loads Fibr,Nav,dc64 or FB,FB is not working cos its the fastloader version and it don't load properly but the normal File Browser works fine. and other programs like Geos and SID player,.. . If you can see the root of the USB stick that means you can fill it up with sid tunes and have the prg files on the root or in folders and not have to have them in a disk image.. Its acting like my SD2IEC device on my C64.. |
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Post by predseda on Oct 9, 2018 21:47:51 GMT
Yes, my opinon is bitching* doesn't help to anything and bitching* on the official C64mini facebook is just too much. I bought my mini "as is", I like it and although it has some minor problems witch synchronisation, response times etc. - these all are slowly being solved with FW updates and IN ADDITION TO THIS developers even provide us with new features!
Tell me - will you expect Nintendo release a new firmware for their minis allowing users to download and insert pirated games??? No, forget it. You have built in licensed games (as TheC64 has) with NO OFFICIAL SUPPORT to change it or add any more. TheC64 team cares, they allow you to enhance abilities of your device but you are still complaining? And I absolutely disagree with "bobele" saying "They do only what they absolutely have to." No, they don't have to. They should solve the problems with existing games/ controls /sound /whatever, but adding new features is just a bonus for us, users. So my point of view: I really appreciate their care and thank them a lot for all the FW udates.
*I am not a native ENG speaker so I do not know if this word is allowed or is too strong.
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Post by darbyram on Oct 9, 2018 21:59:18 GMT
Yes, my opinon is bitching* doesn't help to anything and bitching* on the official C64mini facebook is just too much. I bought my mini "as is", I like it and although it has some minor problems witch synchronisation, response times etc. - these all are slowly being solved with FW updates and IN ADDITION TO THIS developers even provide us with new features! Tell me - will you expect Nintendo release a new firmware for their minis allowing users to download and insert pirated games??? No, forget it. You have built in licensed games (as TheC64 has) with NO OFFICIAL SUPPORT to change it or add any more. TheC64 team cares, they allow you to enhance abilities of your device but you are still complaining? And I absolutely disagree with "bobele" saying "They do only what they absolutely have to." No, they don't have to. They should solve the problems with existing games/ controls /sound /whatever, but adding new features is just a bonus for us, users. So my point of view: I really appreciate their care and thank them a lot for all the FW udates. *I am not a native ENG speaker so I do not know if this word is allowed or is too strong.Why would Nintendo need to do that when its already been done? |
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Post by crispin on Oct 10, 2018 0:37:36 GMT
I might be able to get my C64 Menu to work,you can press a key and it loads Fibr,Nav,dc64 or FB,FB is not working cos its the fastloader version and it don't load properly but the normal File Browser works fine. and other programs like Geos and SID player,.. . If you make it work, I made special PETSCII background for that C64 Menu (it doesn't have to blink):  is.gd/thec64logo_petsciiYAY! It should be tested... if it works... wow, it will be great! |
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Post by synchromesh on Oct 10, 2018 9:22:22 GMT
Thanks for the Ultima IV zip crispin .. Nice one |
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Post by madfisi on Oct 10, 2018 14:44:38 GMT
The only thing i complain about, is that it is still not possible to use multidisk images without a hassle. You still have to load it, when the program tells you to flip over the disk you need to save the state, change the usb stick and load the save state. This is really, really bad. I don't care about typing load in basic but saving the snapshot is anoying for me.
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Post by Jammet on Oct 10, 2018 17:08:14 GMT
Thank you for the Ultima 4 Cartridge! Now I need to figure out which of these I should actually pick for my play-through. I was enjoying the thought of just re-using my old floppies (their images), but this will do nicely. I'm actually enjoying what it feels like to just use the old hardware, which is why I am among those who are rooting and hoping for the firmware to eventually allow me to disable the reset/autorun function for my personal use. It would feel like old times. I'd be using the BASIC commands, just because I want to. I'd love to see this, in the Mini. It would make it that much more special, to me. I know, games like Ultima IV will turn everyone into a diskjockey, frothing at the mouth, but it's not nearly as bad as it was in Ultima VI. In the mean time, I will probably try to find cartridges for games that keep tempting me, if they have more than one floppy side. Love to you all! |
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Post by synchromesh on Oct 10, 2018 18:29:54 GMT
I see another update ...V1_1_2
Any info ?
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Post by synchromesh on Oct 10, 2018 18:35:10 GMT
AHH its because some had folder issues..
Good to see them fixing stuff though
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Post by ch1ller on Oct 12, 2018 14:02:55 GMT
Another Firmware Out ... 1.1.4
Corrects a recent firmware issue that prevented joysticks like the Logitech F710 from being detected
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Post by groepaz on Oct 12, 2018 20:25:29 GMT
"Btw, prove to us - show us, please, where exactly "price dropped around 45 euros in various stores". No need to "include extra joystick"." here more FUD - 39 euros at saturn.de www.saturn.de/de/product/_c64-the-c64-mini-2349461.html30 euro mark will be broken after christmas, i am sure |
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