***WARNING*** DO NOT BUY THEC64 MINI NTSC Model, THEC64 Mini has two models PAL and NTSC version, PAL for Europe and NTSC for US and Canada.
THEC64 NTSC(60hz) is being sold in PAL Regions(Europe) at the moment cheap so make sure when you buy THEC64 Mini its a PAL(50hz) version, NTSC version is the US version so is not PAL so will run games at a faster speed at 60hz.
THEC64 NTSC is grey too so has a different colour case not a yellowy gray case that the PAL Version has.
It has a American PEGI E for Everyone on it box(bottom left)
THEC64 Mini PAL has a PEGI 7 on its box(bottom left)
So please make sure you buy the right model, its not worth it just to save a few pennies...
And for those in the states, make sure you don't buy a PAL unit or the games you remember might not run at the proper speed. Remember too, often there were two completely different versions of the same game for the NTSC and PAL regions due to software house licensing agreements. Sometimes the pal version was better, but also sometimes the NTSC version was better too. As somebody who grew up around a huge crowd of NTSC C64 fans, not once did I hear somebody say ntsc was an issue for them, and I can't remember a single piece of software that wouldn't run for me.
The C64 was the number one selling computer in the states. The Spectrum was virtually unheard of here. While the Spectrum was a UK born computer and was very popular there, giving the C64 a real run for it's money in a fan base, Commodore was a US born company and the C64 had no close competitor in the states. The extremely expensive Apple II line were mainly owned by the upper class in small numbers (much like apple products today), and Atari never caught up to Commodore in their more expensive and less powerful 400 and 800 line of computers. Tandy (Coco Computer) and Texas Instruments (the much more expensive and less powerful Ti994a) also were never even close, and considered oddball obscure computers to the average consumer. It was all mostly C64 for the computer scene here, being owned by the much bigger middle class in numbers.
The UK also largely stuck with tape drives and TV's for screens, while in the states it was far more common for C64 owners (and thus professional software and games) to embrace disk drives, color monitors, and accessories like modems and printers for the C64. As a result, things like BBS systems flourished, and that alone was a completely different C64 sub-culture onto it's self in the Commodore computer scene in the states.
When you think about disk drive based software for the C64, you can pretty much thank the states for having a huge fan base of C64 owners, because without the massive popularity of NTSC C64 owners who also bought disk drives, everything would have been on tape and the software base for the C64 would have been much smaller, much more boring, and much more limited in scope.
Far as the true color of the C64, the fact is there was no one true color of the computer. Here in the states several shades of it existed. There also wasn't one true size to the machine. The C64 Maxi is based on early versions of the C64 that were using the Vic20 dimensions, which was slightly taller than later C64s produced by Commodore.
Commodore was notorious for using whatever parts or materials they could get their hands on. This included putting older C64 motherboards in newer generations of the machine, and even doing that with older disk drive boards being put in newer model drive cases. And yes, Commodore even made C64s of varying colors depending on what plastic resin they could get at the time. As an example, there were even C64s with yellow or orange Vic20 function keys. Vic20 keyboards were sometimes just put into the C64 straight from the factory.
It all comes down to what you owned. If you were in a pal region you're used to pal, and if you were a ntsc owner you're used to that. Some software back then and especially written today will detect which machine you're using and make the proper adjustments to run with no slight variation in speed.
All of the above can also be said about the Pal Amiga computers versus NTSC. Software flourished for it on both sides of the ocean, and again software often had different license agreements with completely different versions of a game, and one region or the other would be better. Besides, you can simply hold down a mouse key while powering up an Amiga to boot into the proper mode if you ran across the rare odd piece of software that wouldn't run based on region.
And btw I'm only pointing all this out because I lived the history, and it's rather odd to me when watching things like UK videos that the trend these days seems to be a rewriting of that history, where they make it sound almost like commodore wasn't born in the states and was never popular here. When in fact Jack birthed the company here, and his biggest battles in Commodore history were fought in the states against his arch rivals such as Apple, Texas Instruments, and even his worries about Japan invading the market (Hence the coming MSX). He was very big on that. All great epic stories! Listen to podcasts such as The Retro Hour for FIRST HAND EXECUTIVE COMMODORE EMPLOYEES INTERVIEWS on that. Fascinating stuff!
Listen to some modern day podcasts about Jack from the big players who were working at Commodore's headquarters in the states, and ironically the UK market is/was almost never a topic of conversation at the forefront of most of the founders. Not until nearly the end of Commodore, when the UK market was the last hope, because those in the UK were not readily embracing IBM clones (and I admire the UK for that), so Commodore frantically embraced the UK division as a life preserver on a sinking ship. But that came MUCH more towards the end of Commodore. They simply ran out of money and time because of lawsuits that tied up the north American release of the CD32. Had Commodore been able to release that groundbreaking game console a year or so earlier they might still be in business today and competing with Apple, PlayStation, and XBox.
If anything Commodore in the states and Japan were far more an influence to the birth and growth of the company early on and further into the development of the C64 than the UK ever was. The Commodore and Japan relationship had deep roots in not only the Vic20 software development, but also the very first rendition of what would be the C64 when the Japanese Commodore Max was released there. The UK market was no doubt a very important one to the C64 and later Amiga, but it was a later one towards the end of Commodore.
If you asked the massive millions of C64 or Amiga middle class ntsc owners (much larger in percentage of population compared to other countries back then) if they were concerned about trivial NTSC versus pal potential software conflicts back then, they'd probably ask you what the hell was NTSC, let alone pal.
That's my whole point to these two prior posts. The topic is largely overblown these days for some odd reason. Just buy the machine and have fun! The minor potential problems of things like slightly different speeds between pal or ntsc are trivial and unnoticed by most people.
I just purchased one, and with the latest firmware mine allows you to select both PAL and NTSC from the options menu. Does this work to support games from either?
Really not change on the stock settings, (because Tv still says 60Hz) Playing at commando u can test it xD crazy speed at 60 Hz.
The things that worked on mi mini ntsc are this three fake updates (not permanenly and no autoboot)
1.- Mini ntsc to real pal 50Hz signal output (too allows load vic20 games adding cjms for them) not carousels but yes supports usb file load. thec64community.online/thread/614/c64-mini-ntsc-pal
2.- customs carouseles using an old pcuae loaded by fakeupdate. saw on youtub of commodore spain, video called: Project Carousel Usb - Guía para personalización del carrusel del The C64 (Maxi, Mini) y The Vic20
3.- vice fakeupdate. Be able to load Vice emulator and diferent models.
I bought my c64 mini ntsc for 29.99€ and I am very happy with it. Not the best model if u have money to spend on it, but works.
I would like more options, like remove borders, real 4:3 aspect ration on 4:3 vga screen (two black columns at sides) a button mapper using the on screen keyboard, not cjm editing. Maybe on future updates.
Last Edit: Mar 30, 2023 17:10:00 GMT by bencadiz: Mistakes.
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