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Post by g2000 on Jan 9, 2022 4:40:08 GMT
Started a few threads on various games and figured make a list of my pick's that were not in the default library. All games have been tested on the MAXI and are working.
I will maintain this first post with the list of games. Njoy everyone Noteworthy c64 Games to consider
- Sonic the Hedgehog- Summer Games- Airborne Ranger - Fix it Felix Jr.- Transformers- Arnie- Hired Sword II- Lost Realms of Murkasada Episode 1- Turbo Charge- Battletech - Scramble Infinity (new) - Neptune Lander (Jupiter Lander clone) - Sub Hunter - Galaxian DX - City Bomber - Space Orbs
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 9, 2022 11:31:09 GMT
Nice work. Arnie is a fantastic game. Really good 3D style play field and graphics. There's also a sequel to it. Reminds me of Contra only better in some ways.
Neuromancer has a digitized soundtrack of a Devo song at the start from one of their albums, which is pretty incredible when you think of the fact that digitized audio was pretty new and rare back in the day, but the SID chip was able to get the job done. People don't realize Devo was doing sound tracks for games back in the day or even licensing the rights for others to digitize their actual music.
Which reminds me, I think the first two games I heard digitized audio from on a C64 was Space Taxi and Castle Wolfenstein. It blew my mind because even in the arcade it was rare to hear digitized audio. Both great games btw.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 9, 2022 13:25:44 GMT
I knew composers used the c64 and Amiga, did not know Devo was doing sountracks for games! That is awesome! Personally I always enjoyed not only their music but the chirptunes created on these devices. As a kid I remember hearing Duran Duran's hungry like a wolf, want to say it was some 007 game. Blew my mind back then. It's amazing what the c64 did considering its limitations.
Also two good games, Wolfenstein and Space Taxi. The first I never played, kept on crashing on me. Space Taxi was a fun game too.
You have to try Hired Sword II! I was playing last night and was up till about 1:30 AM!!! This guy rocks!!! Great story line and IMO, should be made into a modern game. Very well done. Lost Realms was also a fun game, only has one level and no joystick support. Fun game none the less.
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 9, 2022 14:00:04 GMT
The SID actually has provisions to sample audio and digitize it via a analog to digital circuit if memory serves me on that. I think it was a hidden obscure feature nobody knew about at first, and this might have even been the very first computer to have such a thing.
Can't remember how but isn't there a pin on one of the external connectors on the 64 that gives a pathway for the SID to sample analog input to digitize, like perhaps on the cartridge port or maybe it was via a pin on the video output connector?
I think my first time ever hearing digitized audio was Berzerk in the arcade, which btw there's also an excellent port for on the C64.
Btw, this reminds me of a friend who was building a scanner using a simple optical sensor that he was going to mount on the print head of his C64 to digitize pictures by loading the picture into the printer so the sensor could scan it. At the time I knew of no picture scanners existing for any home computer so it was pretty mind blowing. Don't know if he ever finished it but I remember him saying obviously it would only be able to digitize in black and white with simple ones or zeros input to the RS232 port for ink existing or it just being a blank spot on the page. The circuit was fairly simple. Just a light sensing transistor mounted to the print head that are used for things like motion lights so they'll come on at dark. I'm sure it also used a few resistors and whatever so the logic was there to send a one or a zero to the rs232 port. This seems like a great cheap kit somebody should sell so C64 owners can start scanning pics into their machine.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 9, 2022 15:27:50 GMT
Speaking on my behalf, I think most of us who had a c64 never dove deep into all its capabilities. For me at least it was a "gaming machine" and something I used for school work; like programing in BASIC or typing out my school reports (had a printer too back then). Then again from a 13 yr old's perspective, that's what I saw it as. As I got older and understood more, it was only then I truly appreciated it for what it was. Wish I still had my original c64.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 9, 2022 20:14:22 GMT
Added "Scramble Infinity" to the list. Great game and graphics!!! Must have!
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 10, 2022 10:39:10 GMT
Cool. Check out Neptune Lander Elite. It's a free new game that pays tribute to the arcade game Lunar Lander and the Commodore game Jupiter Lander. It's got great reviews. Also, there was a new version of Scramble that came out a few years back that is pretty much an exact arcade port and made up for a few of the lackings in the one years prior.
Btw, heard there is a Mario N64 port out now for the Amiga that everybody is raving about how good it is. Not talking about Super Mario Brothers thats excellent as well on the C64 of course.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 10, 2022 12:20:04 GMT
Yes I did see that! I'll add it to the list. Cant say it was my fav game but a c64 (and VIC) classic.
Amiga emulation is next. I personally never had one, my friends did and it was a great machine. I took it for a test drive on the maxi and I was having issues with the controller not responding. There were some excellent games for it and I think that will complete this device (for me). VIC, C64 and Amiga all in one. Cant ask for anything more.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 13, 2022 2:54:45 GMT
Added a few more to the list. In addition to Neptune Lander, please find Sub Hunter, Galaxian DX (very nice port) and City Bomber. Sub Hunter is as the name suggests, is a version of the original classic Sub Hunt.
Galaxian DX probably needs no intro, a modern port of the original classic. I am mean seriously it Galaxian!!! The last, City Bomber is a game based of Blitz and bonus, they have a C64 and VIC-20 version of it! I tried the VIC version to remember those VIC-20 days Check them out and have fun!
BONUS: Added Space Orbs too, nice puzzle game which reminds me of a cross between tetris and puzzle bobble.
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 13, 2022 3:08:43 GMT
Cool. Do you mean the classic Sub Hunt game for the 2600 orginally? If so classic game. A buddy came over and that's all he wanted to play on RetroPie. Fun game.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 13, 2022 15:03:26 GMT
Cool. Do you mean the classic Sub Hunt game for the 2600 orginally? If so classic game. A buddy came over and that's all he wanted to play on RetroPie. Fun game. Yes its a totally redone game, with way better graphics in my opinion than the original. Looks great!!!
Sub Hunter
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 14, 2022 1:09:59 GMT
Cool. Btw there's a guy doing remakes of some classic Atari 2600 games on the 64, and he's such a purest that he's not enhancing graphics or sound too much to lose the flavor of the original. He even is keeping in original bugs people used to cheat in the games. BastichB did an interview of the guy this past year. Which reminds me, River Raid on the 64 is a great game that was also great on the 2600.
Btw too, check into a game called Empire War Game Of The Century. It's a Risk like war strategy game. I would literally stay up all night playing it on my Amiga. It's very addictive. I hear there's also a C64 port but I haven't tried it yet. Way I hear it I think there's even a guy to this day doing updates of it for various platforms
BTW one more thing... There was a game for I believe the C64 but might have been the Amiga, where it was the best pacman clone I ever saw, but I just remember the game was sideways on the screen and so you had to flip the monitor on its side to play it. The reason they did that had something to with with the horizontal and vertical resolution or perspective so it more accurately displayed the graphics on the screen. Still trying to track down that game and it's name cuz never saw nothing like it before.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 14, 2022 3:31:54 GMT
Yes I do recall seeing a version of River Raid out there. I'll check that out too! Looks like fun. One of my fav games back then was Raid Over Moscow (c64 classic) along with Beach Head. On the Amiga games, I never had one, my friend and cousin did. Cannon Fodder, Sensible Soccer (legendary imo), Kick Off and Golden Axe come to mind. On the c64 side, I remember pac man, ms pac man and some clones. Someone redid pacman back in 2015, nice job too. You're not talking about this c64 side pacman are you? Pacman side version csdb.dk/release/?id=86409Pacman Arcade version csdb.dk/release/?id=136583
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 14, 2022 11:14:14 GMT
Yes I believe that's it! Thanks! Was bugging me to try to remember that game and it's name!
Another classic is Moon Patrol. One of the best arcade ports ever made for the 64 I used to play for hours. Beachhead? Yeah the audio while shooting the approaching planes was epic, and Raid Over Moscow, loved the flying in the hangar stuff.
Far as pacman games go, there's one for the Vic20 Commodore released called Jelly Monsters or something like that. It was originally I believe called pacman in Japan but commodore didn't have the legal rights to call it pacman here so they changed the name. It's a great pacman port for the Vic20.
Also, check out Pitfall for the 64 and Vic20. Great game. The Vic version is a more recent port and uses raster interrupts to push it's graphics.
Oh and another great 2600 port for the 64 is HERO.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 15, 2022 14:51:35 GMT
All epic games and classics in their own right! Spent MANY hours just like you playing Moon Patrol. All the above, classic and some of the first I put on my USB stick HERO hell yeah! Another AWESOME game! I saw somewhere, there is a remake going on for it. EDIT: Dont know if it ever made it beyond the preview (beta 2) version, I will be checking this one out at some point
HERO II (demo)
The VIC-20 was my first computer, didnt have many games for it and I bought it used from a friend. There was some Dracula text based game I had and Omega Race. I had those on cartridges. Wish I still had them.Eventually I bought a VIC-20 from ebay just to have it. I was going to customize and it and make it into a modern PC. I blame the movie John Wick for that. LOL!!! Once I powered it up and noticed it was in working condition, I didn't have the heart to rip it apart. Now its part of my collection I did find it interesting that the VIC and MAXI have the exact same footprint.
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 15, 2022 23:52:49 GMT
The original C64 was the exact same case dimensions as the Vic20 but later Commodore lowered the height of the C64 case a little. I saw a very prominent Commodore video creator mistakenly say he wondered why the maxi was using Vic20 case dimensions. Lol. Shocked he didn't know the C64 originally used those dimensions early on.
Do you have the Mega or Ultimate Cart or whatever it's called for the Vic20? Way I hear it that's a must have for it, featuring memory expansion and a bunch of games along with a front end file loader. They still make that thing today or variations of it.
Yeah I never had a Vic 20 but I remember as a kid playing Omega Race on it at the local Kmart. Great port and very good vector style graphics for the Vic20. I enjoy playing Vic20 games today because I love seeing all the Retro hardware, especially Commodore stuff, pushed to it's limits. Btw did you know Elon Musk's first computer he ever used was a Vic20? Cool stuff.
For a good video on that Vic mega or ultimate or whatever cart check out 8 Bit Guys channel.
For a good video on Hero for the 2600 and C64 check out Metal Jesus Rock's channel. He's a big fan of the game and of the C64.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 16, 2022 1:21:39 GMT
Yes I've watched their videos and follow those guys. I remember having some expansion cartilage for the VIC, I want to say it added more memory to it. Didnt have it for long as once I got my c64 that became my daily driver I dont have my original c64 anymore but I did notice when I put theC64 next it, the footprint was identical. I remembered my c64 ever so slightly thinner. Maybe they changed the case down the road? I'll look around for that mega cart. Sometime there is no substitute playing something on the original hardware. I have an original commodore joystick somewhere too. Might pick up or build one of those sd2iec and fire up the old girl just for kicks.
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 16, 2022 11:01:15 GMT
Look into the Pi1541 for true drive emulation and other features. There's also a cartridge now that contains the Pi and Eoyx fast load so you don't have to put the Pi1541 into a external case and provide power for it. Just remember not to use the original power supply they tend to fail from age and destroy the chips. Also the Easy Flash V3 cartridge is a must have, or the Ultimate II+ is the best but most expensive add on that covers everything.
Far as the cart for the Vic20, I'll dig up that review and post it by 8 bit guy. it's a very good video. Edit: Posted that video in the Vic20 forum. Great video and awesome looking cartridge.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 17, 2022 2:08:06 GMT
Funny thats what I was looking at, an RPI solution. Saw a cool hat for the pi zero link: www.ebay.com/itm/164253965784Now with the rpi zero 2 out, I think that would be the ideal candidate for this. I was going to use it on my retroflag gameboy to replace the older rpi0w I have in it. Figured I can 3d print a sweeeet case for it. I might even 3D print a case for my USB drive, to make it look 1541ish. Speaking of, I have a 1541 laying around. Dont have a power supply for it and bought it on ebay years ago. The plan, again was to retrofit it with an Intel NUC or microATX mobo. Did that 10yrs ago and it came out sweet! My brother ended up taking it into the office as it became a conversation piece.
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 17, 2022 11:17:47 GMT
If you're talking the original 1541 drive in the big case it has the power supply built in and they supposedly don't tend to fail like the C64 power supply does cuz the drive's power supply isn't encased in epoxy which tended to overheat the linear voltage regulator and over voltage the chips on the 64 these days due to age. You only need to use a standard kettle style PC power cord to plug it in.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 18, 2022 1:27:05 GMT
Correction, don't have the cables to it to connect it and I dont have a c64. I'm pretty sure I can still connect it to the VIC. Also dont have an disks for it so idk how I would even test it.
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 18, 2022 2:20:28 GMT
I'd just go with a modern storage device then. A real disk drive on the Vic or 64 is pretty useless these days unless you have a large library of disks to use. Some of these aftermarket storage devices have the ability to even reproduce the disk drive sound such as the Pi 1541 so you get the whole experience. And you can either fast load stuff or do it at 1541 drive speed to also get the same vibe from it. The Pi 1541 will totally emulate a 1541 drive for full software and copy protection stuff even as will the 1541 Ultimate. The Sd2IEC won't, but for stuff that's not working you can often find versions of the game for the SD2IEC that were changed to work with it.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 18, 2022 2:44:58 GMT
pi1541 it is then Just ordered the hat. Gonna 3d print a nice case to go along with it Thanks
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 18, 2022 11:17:52 GMT
I'd also look into getting the Easy Flash 3 cartridge to compliment the Pi1541 if you ever get a C64 to use it on too down the road. Both together will pretty much give you all the major features of the 1541 Ultimate II+, which is the most expensive but best aftermarket add on for the 64. The Easy Flash V3 even has games written specifically to take advantage of it's memory bank switching, etc., such as Prince of Persia. An amazing game that you'd think you were playing on the Amiga.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 18, 2022 21:34:52 GMT
If I do eventually pick up a real c64, its most likely going to be part of my collection. I've been following the MEGA65 and that looks pretty damn sweet. My daily driver at home is a Macbook Pro which I stripped down to the mobo and placed it in c64c case (those remakes they did a few years ago). Found a used kb on ebay and picked up them kerah board and just frankenstein it. I did see somekikstart a c64 breadbin case which I might pickup at some point as well. Looks nice and love the look of it.
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 19, 2022 0:16:55 GMT
Very cool. Btw a few channels I think you'll love for Commodore stuff: 8 bit guy, Retro Recipes, Nostalgia Nerd, Retro Gaming Nation, 8 Bit Show And Tell, Amiga 10 Minute Retro Cast, Dan Wood, The Retro Hour, John Hancock, Retro Man Cave, BastichB.
Each has their own strengths. Nostalgia Nerd this past year did a review of the upcoming Mega65. Amazing what Commodore was working on. The ultimate 8 bit machine with graphics as good or better than some 16 bit stuff. Retro Recipes does some really amazing videos. High production value since he worked in Star Wars and other stuff.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 19, 2022 3:30:41 GMT
Yeah I follow those guys too. They do have some good and informative stuff! Someone in the forum here said it best, if commodore didnt fold, we would probably be walking around with commodore phones! The MEGA would of been a great machine.
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 19, 2022 10:02:50 GMT
I said that, but maybe somebody else did too. Lol. Oh another good channel is Mrs Mad Lemon.
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Post by g2000 on Jan 20, 2022 1:21:57 GMT
I said that, but maybe somebody else did too. Lol. Oh another good channel is Mrs Mad Lemon. Nope, it was you. LoL!! Good one btw
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Post by c64stuff on Jan 20, 2022 2:11:31 GMT
It's a shame. Commodore was way ahead of the game and got their priorities right with the CD32 finally, but unfortunately they got tied up in patent lawsuits and ran out of cash before they could get the thing shipping to the United States. They rested on their accomplishments a little too long trying to milk the A500, A500+, and 1200, mainly because by then Jack had left long ago and figureheads had taken over that were more about being conservative and the bottom line rather than pushing stuff forward. The CD32 should have tried to be launched about a year prior. It would have shocked the console market
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