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Post by sirscofferoff on Jan 18, 2021 13:01:24 GMT
Does the 64 run faster at 60hz like the original? Is there a way to force it to the 50hz speed if you can only get 60hz on a monitor?
I'm using PAL screens, 1 is really pink in colour connected to the 64(not fully diagnosed, DVI -> HDMI converter) but I'm sure it goes lower than 60hz. another monitor looks fine but has 60hz minimum.
This is just bugging me a little, as all that nostalgic gameplay and especially music is way too fast! + I prefer using a single monitor for every device and just switch intput.
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Post by kugelblitz on Jan 18, 2021 13:23:40 GMT
Does the 64 run faster at 60hz like the original? Is there a way to force it to the 50hz speed if you can only get 60hz on a monitor?
I'm using PAL screens, 1 is really pink in colour connected to the 64(not fully diagnosed, DVI -> HDMI converter) but I'm sure it goes lower than 60hz. another monitor looks fine but has 60hz minimum.
This is just bugging me a little, as all that nostalgic gameplay and especially music is way too fast! + I prefer using a single monitor for every device and just switch intput.
Games that were written for PAL 50 HZ run 20% faster on 60HZ usually because they are synced to screen refresh. You can set the Maxi to 50Hz but then anything that scrolls will be "jumpy" because the Monitor usually runs at 60 - so every fifth picture needs to be shown twice basically. |
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Post by sirscofferoff on Jan 18, 2021 18:09:09 GMT
The first game I tried was The Last Ninja, and I'm very familiar with the music so it sounded horribly sped up. It is a little more responsive I guess and other games that I'm not familiar with sound OK. I'll use VLC to play the music and F1 each level to mute the game, for the true experience  Got The 64 for relearning programming + nostalgia really. |
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Post by sirscofferoff on Jan 19, 2021 1:02:12 GMT
I'm looking through chapter 8 of the manual and using the customise switches _M6TP should set the program to PAL(50hz) should they not? Doesn't seem to affect the speed at all.
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Post by kugelblitz on Jan 19, 2021 7:19:02 GMT
Page 96/97 explains this:
60 HZ OR 50 HZ
If your connected HD display can accept a 50 Hz image, you will see Video output
settings during the initial set up process for THEC64. You can choose between 60 Hz
(the default) or 50 Hz.
If your current HD TV or monitor can display a 50 Hz signal, then Video output
options appear when you first switch on THEC64 as part of the initial set up. If your
HD TV or monitor cannot display at 50 Hz, then this screen does not appear and
THEC64 automatically uses 60 Hz.
WHY CHANGE THIS SETTING?
An original North American C64 computer outputs at a refresh rate slightly less than
60 Hz. A European C64 outputs at a rate slightly more than 50 Hz.
In comparison, THEC64 locks to the HDMI rate of exactly 50 Hz or 60 Hz depending
on the Video output setting, so that it produces super-smooth and tear-free graphics
when running programs on a modern HD display. Regardless of the video output
setting, THEC64 ensures that programs believe they are running at original C64 PAL
or C64 NTSC speeds, as appropriate.
A C64 PAL computer will run faster when the Video output is set to 60 Hz. An NTSC
C64 computer will run slower when the Video output is set to 50 Hz. As you would
expect, a C64 PAL computer runs at almost exactly the right speed when the output is
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set to 50 Hz, as will an C64 NTSC computer when the output is set to 60 Hz. This is
their native mode.
Computer Video output Speed
C64 PAL 50 Hz About right
C64 NTSC 50 Hz Slower
C64 PAL 60 Hz Faster
C64 NTSC 60 Hz About right
The pre-installed C64 games available in Carousel mode run on a mixture of NTSC
and PAL C64 and VIC 20 computers without you having to change anything. The type
of computer that launches a program from the Media access function or from BASIC in
Classic mode also varies based on a number of different settings, but again they are
either running on a PAL or an NTSC computer model.
What this means is that some programs will run faster and some will run slower
depending upon the current video output setting and the type of computer model in
use.
For some programs, the increase or decrease in speed only makes a superficial
difference. For others, the difference is a little more obvious, especially in regards to
the pitch of the audio on the running program.
To compensate, THEC64 applies some automatic adjustments to make the pitch of the
audio as close to the original experience as possible when a program is not running
in its native mode. This is called Audio Scaling
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Post by kolla on Jan 13, 2022 6:40:13 GMT
I struggle with this, and I wonder if it has something to do with the 1.6.1 update - I never see any Video output options where I can select 50Hz, and I have tried a good handfull of monitors, all capable of 50Hz (and not just capable, default even), but the THEC64 mini here defaults to NTSC and insists on 60Hz output, and hence the PAL games run too fast, in "PAL mode".
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Post by jj0 on Jan 13, 2022 11:00:54 GMT
I struggle with this, and I wonder if it has something to do with the 1.6.1 update - I never see any Video output options where I can select 50Hz, and I have tried a good handfull of monitors, all capable of 50Hz (and not just capable, default even), but the THEC64 mini here defaults to NTSC and insists on 60Hz output, and hence the PAL games run too fast, in "PAL mode". You will only see the video options on the Maxi after a factory reset. The Mini has different models for NTSC and for PAL. What you can try to do is one of the following: - See if it works with PCUAE where if I remember correctly you can switch between PAL and NTSC
- Check this thread for more invasive ways to change an NTSC Mini to a PAL Mini
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