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Post by aliens on Oct 25, 2021 22:09:16 GMT
Hello, my first post here  First of all, congratulations for the PCUAE. I think it's really a good job and I appreciate it, as a C64 Mini user. I even have donated a small amount yet  Now, my questions: 1- I tried an USB keyboard (not mine) on the original C64 Mini, it worked in-game but it didn't work on the Carousel. Would an USB keyboard works in the PCUAE Carousel or would I still need the joystick? I don't have the USB keyboard now so I can't try it. 2- I wanted to try RetroArch Mode, but I can't find how to access to it without a keyboard. Is there a "mode change" shortcut for the joystick? Or do I need an USB keyboard to press CTRL+F5. I've tried mapping 2 joystick buttons as "CTRL" and "F5" without success 3- When I press "Menu button" + "Right Fire" I can access to the PCUAE menu, but joystick doesn't work here. I've tried 1.7.1 and 1.7.2. The only thing I can do there is to press "Menu button" and "Left Fire" and access the Game Selector. Am I doing something wrong? Or it's just because this menu only work with keyboard? 4- I would like to activate the autoboot, so I don't need to update every time, but I'm not sure about how to doing it. I guess I can do it in the PCUAE menu, but as I've said, I can't activate the options there. Thanks a lot and sorry if some questions are very noob questions. I've solved some other issues reading threads here, but not those ones. |
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Post by c64stuff on Oct 26, 2021 0:37:35 GMT
Did you set the keyboard type, which I *think* is in the stock firmware options? I might be confusing that with RetroPie though on a raspberry pi cuz I never played with that potential option on the mini if it has it.
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Post by spannernick on Oct 26, 2021 9:48:41 GMT
The shortcut keys should work with a USB Keyboard, they do not work if you map them in a CJM file, the CJM file is only for the Emulator in the Carousel, I can look into adding Mode Changer so you can start it with THEC64 joystick but you will need a keyboard to select a mode on the menu, the kernal on THEC64 Mini is the problem why the joystick dose not work on the PCUAE Option and Mode Changer Menus, its not enabled in the mini's kernal but is enabled in the Maxi's kernal so thats why it works on THEC64 Maxi and not on THEC64 Mini, one reason why we need the updated source code, I can not do anything about it until RGL share the updated source code with the update kernal for THEC64 Mini. I use this type of USB Keyboard with mine and it works on my THEC64 Mini and THEVIC20, I use this so I do not have to disconnect it, its always connected if I need it and cause its small its not in the way, its as big as a controller.  www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Multi-media-Keyboard-Raspberry-Layout-Black-Black/dp/B00DUUF250564041075224&psc=1 |
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Post by aliens on Oct 26, 2021 18:07:03 GMT
I use this type of USB Keyboard with mine and it works on my THEC64 Mini and THEVIC20, I use this so I do not have to disconnect it, its always connected if I need it and cause its small its not in the way, its as big as a controller. Thank you both for your replies. I still have some doubts about my first question. Does this keyboard works in the game selector (the Carousel)? My idea is not to use the joystick anymore and use just a keyboard for everything, so I want to buy the correct keyboard. I tried a Logitech (K270 I think) but it didn't work in the original Carousel, but it worked in-game. I would like to know if it was a settings/configuration problem or if I would always need the joystick to select a game. Regards |
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Post by spannernick on Oct 26, 2021 19:53:57 GMT
The keyboard can be used, look on page 17 of THEC64 Mini Manual... Get it from my One Drive link here. |
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Post by aliens on Oct 26, 2021 20:17:51 GMT
Thank you again, but I read the manual and still got confused.
"When you connect a USB keyboard to THEC64 Mini, you gain access to all the keys present on the original C64 computer." I understand there that the keyboard should work fine everywhere. But the Logitech I tried didn't work on Carousel although it worked fine in a game. I still needed the joystick to select the game.
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Post by spannernick on Oct 29, 2021 14:36:34 GMT
For some reason THEC64 Mini Manual dose in cover the Keyboard fully, you need to look in the THEC64 Maxi Manual page 16 and it will show you what keys work on the carousel, it probably don't cover the keyboard cause THEC64 Mini does not have one. Keyboard Mapping on Page 16  |
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Post by aliens on Oct 29, 2021 15:59:19 GMT
Thanks again but I'm afraid The C64 Maxi Manual doesn't solve my doubts because it only covers "The C64 keyboard", no USB Keyboards.
The only thing I want to know if I can use an USB keyboard in C64 Mini (especially with PCUAE) and I can completely throw the joystick into the thrash. Or if I always need a joystick to select a game. I'm very confused
As I said, the Logitech I tried one day worked fine in-game but didn't make anything on Carousel, no matter which key I pressed.
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Post by spannernick on Oct 29, 2021 20:25:50 GMT
I just use my keyboard on my THEC64 Mini using the same keys from above and they worked on carousel 1.5.2, The Carousel is the same on THEC64 Mini and Maxi, Does the keyboard work on the firmware carousel or just on PCUAE Carousel...?
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Post by aliens on Oct 30, 2021 8:59:54 GMT
I just use my keyboard on my THEC64 Mini using the same keys from above and they worked on carousel 1.5.2 Ok, that answers my question. Thanks a lot. I'm gonna buy a keyboard anyway but I would prefer if I can do everything with it. I don't like the C64 Mini joystick |
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Post by spannernick on Nov 2, 2021 1:38:42 GMT
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Post by aliens on Nov 11, 2021 19:21:44 GMT
I'm too used to "PC keyboards" today, but that kit sounds nice |
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Post by aliens on Dec 6, 2021 14:47:23 GMT
I finally bought an USB Keyboard and managed to apply Autoboot. I've tried also the RA mode but it didn't work. I used the 1.72, I'll try later on other version.
My main concern now is that I have a new problem with the USB Keyboard. The arrow keys in the numeric pad worked fine, but not the "normal" arrow keys of the keyboard. How can I setup the game to move using the "normal" arrow keys and not the numeric pad? I've been looking for it but I can't find how to do that.
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Post by spannernick on Dec 7, 2021 12:28:30 GMT
You can't, RGL never set it up that way, I think they set it up so it would work with a Keyrah joysticks, thats why you can use the number pad, the Keyrah uses it for its two db9 ports.
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Post by aliens on Dec 7, 2021 19:14:15 GMT
Nooooooo  I bought a wireless keyboard just for using it on C64 Mini and play games with Cursor Arrows. That's why I was asking everywhere which keyboard should I buy, to be 100% sure my money was used in something useful. I hate the original C64 Mini joystick and I use to play C64 games on PC emulators with Cursor Arrows so I decided to spent my money on it instead of another joypad Thanks for the responses, anyway! |
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Post by spannernick on Dec 7, 2021 20:43:42 GMT
Keys you can use are: ***U*** **HJK** *******UP******** **LEFT,Down,Right** If you look at the movement keys they are in the shape of the arrow keys on a Keyboard... so they are the arrow keys, you do not have arrow keys on a C64 they are CRSR and only have 2 keys. And Left Fire: Space Bar and Right Fire: Return. |
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Post by aliens on Dec 8, 2021 15:16:07 GMT
And how can I setup games for using UHJK? I know how to edit a CJM file to change the effect of the joystick buttons, but I don't know how to change the effect of the keyboard keys and make "H" to be "Joystick left".
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Post by spannernick on Dec 8, 2021 22:04:19 GMT
if you play a game so start it with the keyboard, the keyboard will be used automatically as the joystick instead of THEC64 Joystick on the carousel and in the game so unplug the THEC64 Joystick first. Then select a game with the HJK and U and then press Space Bar to start it and then you can then play it with the keyboard... |
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Post by c64stuff on Dec 9, 2021 11:10:26 GMT
Another option is you could just use a controller that uses a D-pad cuz that mimics the layout of cursor keys. instead of a joystick, such as a USB NES or SNES style controller, but you got to make sure it works unless you want to tinker with the config text file. The InNext SNES style controller is cheap. Around $10 or $20 for a two pack on Amazon, and it's quality is decent. It's buttons are reasonably well configured for the mini and Maxi without messing with the config file. If you want to use it like a keyboard laying on the table or across your lap or something just mount it on top of a piece of wood the size of a keyboard.
One more option is to contact a guy called RetroGameBoyz on his website or eBay etc. He custom prints cases and various controller configurations for the 64, Amiga, and many other machines. Even with buttons like hitting a button to jump instead of pressing up on a joystick or Dpad. He even makes keypad controllers combos for stuff like Intelevision or the Atari 5200 (7800?) used. He could easily make you a keypad controller out of one of those cases or a completely custom new one that's actually using your key presses as joystick inputs. He does nice work. His robotron two joystick controllers, Vectrex, etc are pretty cool.
Final option if you know how to solder. Just pull the guts out of a controller that works and solder it's contacts to buttons on a board the size of the keyboard you want, and in the spots you want to mimic the keyboard layout your used to.
Btw if I wasn't clear here, he makes both USB and Atari plug style controllers and joysticks. Pretty much anything for any system he either has or can make you, complete with a custom 3D printed case.
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Post by aliens on Dec 11, 2021 13:00:06 GMT
Another option is you could just use a controller Thanks for all your options, but the fact is that I've bought a wireless keyboard just for using and play games in C64 Mini. And I think Innext SNES controller is not wireless. Anyway the fact is that I bought the keyboard yet if you play a game so start it with the keyboard, the keyboard will be used automatically as the joystick instead of THEC64 Joystick on the carousel and in the game so unplug the THEC64 Joystick first. Then select a game with the HJK and U and then press Space Bar to start it and then you can then play it with the keyboard... Of course I tried that before posting. I've trying everything (with PCUAE games, with original Carousel games...) but nothing worked. S**tty Joystick is no longer connected I can choose the games with numeric pad or with HJKU and SPACE, but in game those keys doesn't work, just the numeric pad. The keys worked fine on text adventures or games where those keys have an specific function, but on most games (Jumpman, for example), they didn't work and space didn't work neither. Why things are so difficult?  |
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Post by spannernick on Dec 11, 2021 14:32:56 GMT
Are you using THEC64 Mini with the File Loader or with PCUAE...? If you use PCUAE you can add games with it, to the carousel or make CJM files and config the joystick so it works with the keys you want to use. Look here if your interested. |
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Post by aliens on Dec 16, 2021 18:19:42 GMT
Yes, I think I've tried EVERYTHING: PCUAE 1.7x (different versions), Carousel, loading games in the "explorer", loading games in the PCUAE Carousel, using CJM files, switching ports, using a standard thec64-default.cjm file... I feel like I should be the most stupid person in the world, I can't manage to setup keyboard (except numeric pad) as a joystick...
And BTW, as far as I know the PCU Game Manager allows to set up the joystick buttons (or the numeric pad), but it's not what I want. What I want is to set up my keyboard arrow keys (or HJKU) and setup "left control" (Or "Z") as fire button in games.
As I told before, the HJKU worked in PCUAE Carousel but not in game. Which is the setup I should make in PCUGameManager? I'm very confused.
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Post by spannernick on Dec 16, 2021 23:37:35 GMT
Sorry, I gave you the wrong advise in last post, must off been tired, yes your right, PCUAE Manager only sets up the joystick. Silly me... Now I am getting confused... |
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Post by aliens on Dec 19, 2021 17:22:30 GMT
Oh, what a shame, I was expecting a feature or something I didn't know about that could help me. I just don't know what else to try.
Anyway, thank you again for all answers and info provided
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Post by spannernick on Dec 19, 2021 19:43:24 GMT
Try theses keys, I just played St Dragon game with them...
Up=O Down=K Left=A Right=S and Fire=Space Bar
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Post by aliens on Jan 1, 2022 9:56:41 GMT
Those keys are specific for Saint Dragon. I haven't tried them in PCUAE, but I guess those keys should work on that game. But I can't configure them (or other keys) for any game. If I want to play Jumpman with other different keys, different to the numeric pad ones, I can't  |
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Post by aliens on Jan 26, 2022 21:12:22 GMT
After further research, I found that the Numeric Keypad and keys F9, F10 and F11 are what is called "Virtual Joystick". If I select the game with these keys instead of real joystick, the game will be controlled with numeric keypad and F9, F10 and F11 (they are like the 3 buttons in the rear part of real joystick)
The other keys (UHJK,Enter...) are just extra keys for navigating in the Carousel, but they are not part of the virtual joystick used in games.
So I can setup the CJM this way: Numeric keypad for joystick movements and F9 as "Fire". It's not my desired configuration (using "CTRL" as "Fire" would be nicer), but now games could be playable, I'll try.
Thanks for all help provided anyway!
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Post by spannernick on Jan 28, 2022 14:17:22 GMT
THEC64 Joystick Buttons in PCUAE
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Press and hold down MENU BUTTON and then press the other button down for 2 seconds.
THEC64 Joystick now works in the menus on THEC64 Mini.
MENU+LEFT FIRE BUTTONS - The Carousel Gamelist Changer.
MENU+RIGHT FIRE BUTTONS - The PCUAE Option Menu.
MENU+LEFT TRIAGLE BUTTONS - The Carousel Version Changer.
MENU+RIGHT TRIANGLE BUTTONS - The Mode Changer.
THEC64 Joystick Buttons in a Mode
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MENU+LEFT TRIAGLE BUTTONS - Switch back to PCUAE Mode.
MENU+RIGHT TRIANGLE BUTTONS - The Mode Changer.
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Post by Ratte on May 1, 2022 13:01:53 GMT
Hello,
this is my first message in this forum.
I started as a teenager with the C64 + datasette + b/w TV.
The world became colorful, the storage media became round and the rest of the course you can probably guess.
Now I would like to use a slimmed down Linux on the Maxi.
DietPi with WLAN/USB support would be great.
Has anyone tried this, the current Linux setup is still a bit overloaded.
Just the basic installation in the login textmode.
Thanks.
Greetings
André
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Post by jj0 on May 2, 2022 18:21:28 GMT
Hello, this is my first message in this forum. I started as a teenager with the C64 + datasette + b/w TV. The world became colorful, the storage media became round and the rest of the course you can probably guess. Now I would like to use a slimmed down Linux on the Maxi. DietPi with WLAN/USB support would be great. Has anyone tried this, the current Linux setup is still a bit overloaded. Just the basic installation in the login textmode. Thanks. Greetings André Do you mean using a slimmed down Linux in PCUAE's Linux mode? Or 'natively' on the Maxi? If the former you could try to replace the Linux mode's rootfs image file with one of DietPi. And for WLAN support add drivers from PCUAE's network mode. |
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